What guns for a American "Bond?"

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The Euro Bond orignally liked a .25 Beretta and was later switched to the .32 Walther when his .25 failed him and almost got him killed. Movies not withstanding, remember Bond was an assassin not a gunfighter. I think the all-black, 9mm, plastic frame, smallest model Kahr would be something to be considered. Compact, adequate power by American Standards, reliable and Kahrs have a following already with some of the Ivy League foreign service types.
 
That was done, by author Donald Hamilton, in his Matt Helm series. The guy used a Colt .22 Woodsman from WW II when he'd been a sort of OSS agent in the first book, thereafter, a snub .38 S&W, usually a Bodyguard But in later books, the Model 60.

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deputy tom said:
Depends on when.1960's - J-frame or Beretta 950BS.Now - Seecamp .380 or Micro-1911.tom.:cool:

I'd agree with the Jetfire. Definitely a fitted-tuxedo gun, well-made, elegant little thing.
 
An american bond would most certainly use 1911's in various configurations, all in .45acp

Full sized supressed for nighttime eliminations in close quarters,
Officers model for protection during coat and tie concealment

Of course for those times that a little distance is between you and the bad guy, That enfield carbine chambered in .45 and integrally supressed, that used 1911 mags would be perfect. (I cannot recall what it was called though)

Of course substitute a supressed mech tech carbine with red dot for a bond of today...
 
chief said:
The Euro Bond orignally liked a .25 Beretta and was later switched to the .32 Walther when his .25 failed him and almost got him killed. Movies not withstanding, remember Bond was an assassin not a gunfighter. I think the all-black, 9mm, plastic frame, smallest model Kahr would be something to be considered. Compact, adequate power by American Standards, reliable and Kahrs have a following already with some of the Ivy League foreign service types.

I always wondered about that. That was a scene in Dr. No, too, and I kind of wondered where the scriptwriter pulled that from.

The Beretta 950BS .25 might lack in serious stopping power, but it is VERY well-made, (play with one and watch how smoothly the mag ejects with the grip button and all), and I'd never heard of any sort of jamming problem with them!

I've got one myself for "formalwear", with a Kramer pocket holster, though it's got Gold Dot hollowpoints that I doubt they had back then...
 
I always wondered about that. That was a scene in Dr. No, too, and I kind of wondered where the scriptwriter pulled that from.

I think the problem is simply that Ian Fleming didnt know a damn thing about firearms. The words "dangerously ignorant" spring to mind. As a shooter if you read any of the original books there will be multiple points where you just have to grit your teeth and plow through some of the more absurd statements regarding firearms.
 
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I always wondered about that. That was a scene in Dr. No, too, and I kind of wondered where the scriptwriter pulled that from.

The Beretta 950BS .25 might lack in serious stopping power, but it is VERY well-made, (play with one and watch how smoothly the mag ejects with the grip button and all), and I'd never heard of any sort of jamming problem with them!

IIRC it snags in a holster, thats why it fails him.
 
The Bond films are fun but he would be killed in 5 minutes the way he operates in the real world of espionage. The weapons used need to be small and deniable. It is preferred to carry foreign arms, with no import stamps to indicate they had ever been in the US. There is no standard as that is a give away. Among the guns I know have been used in the last 35 years. Walther PP, PPK, TPH, TP, PP Super, HKP9s HKVP70Z,PSP,P7M8. A number of Beretta pistols were in use including the old 418 and 950. CZ pistols were widely distributed in Europe, Africa and the middle east, thus very deniable. The Czechs sold to all. The CZ 50,70 and 83 were used. The CZ 75 despite its size was popular as was the FN HP35, better known over here as the High Power. US operatives are trained on numerous firearms as you may have to use whatever is available. Makarov pistols of various Warsaw Pact countries were popular when you could lay your hands on them and I heard the tale of an operative who had his Walther PPK's chamber bored out to 9mm Mak to give him more power.....however he did not have the barrel redone.....can you imagine the pressure the levels?! I often wondered how many rounds he got off before that thing would give up the ghost and blow. This chap did this on his own.
The Chinese have made some interesting stuff and I am sure anything we could lay hands on may be in use in the pacific rim. I imagine the smaller Glocks like the 26 are in use. Also the Walther P22 makes for a nice small gun that you can readily find threaded barrels for quiet "wet work"....I suspect you will find them in use...

I know I have missed some stuff in use as far as handguns. If I think a bit I will remember more.
 
Actually, I KNOW where the "scriptwriter" pulled the PPK idea from. He got it from the book, although Fleming didn't say (as I recall) that a .32 had a delivery like a "brickbat through a plate glass window", or whatever the screen Armourer said along those lines.

Fleming had been corresponding with Geoffrey Bothroyd, a gun hobbyist and TV screenwriter, and also an author of some very fine gun books, of which, "The Handgun", in particular, is one of the finest works ever done on its subject. I corresponded with the real Boothroyd, who looked nothing like the screen "Maj. Boothroyd", by the way.

Geoff had advised Fleming to have Bond carry an Airweight Centennial, with a Model 27 .357 S&W in the Bentley, for longer range, when he had access to it. This was in part so that the larger gun could also use the .38 ammo of the smaller. That was hardly possible when the small gun was the .25 Beretta (I think a Model 418, given the date) and the large a Colt New Service .45 with 5.5-inch barrel. However, Fleming was also sent a copy of. "The American Rifleman" with a test of various enemy (WW II) guns against our M-1911A-1.

Fleming liked the compactness of small autos, having carried a Baby Browning .25 on official duties with the Intelligence branch of the Royal Navy Voluntary Reserve, on active duty in WW II. He personally chose the PPK, probably because he liked its looks and thought the German origin seemed sinister. When he wrote, "Dr. No" soon after, he goofed, and sent Bond with the Walther and the S&W Centennial to Jamaica. He had meant for the larger gun to be the .357. He did, later in New York on a visit, buy himself a Centennial, and was photographed with it on the back cover of some paperback editions of his works. He said that he bought it in New York because it was hard to find new S&W guns in Britain then, due in part to currency differences, and because demand for new guns was largely limited to people going off to Malaya or Kenya, etc.

As for Bond being thoroughly British, yes, absolutely. He was of Scots (father) and Swiss (mother) birth. TV writers tried at one point to make British thriller heroine Modesty Blaise and her pal Willie Garvin Californians! I wasn't surprised when that show fell on its face. Modesty and James were simply not transferrable to other nationalities.

Modesty by the way, in Peter O'Donnell's splendid books, used a "Colt .32" of unspecified type at first, later a Star PD .45. Her larger handgun was a S&W .41 Magnum, Model 57. When she used a rifle of her own, it was an AR-15. She also used rifles taen from her foes, and in one instance, used a Lee-Enfield with devastating effect, having been shown by an old soldier how to operate the bolt at warp speed (heh!) like the BEF had done in 1914.

You can Search for Modesty Blaise and learn a lot about the character and the series, which also ran as a comic strip in many countries. However, she has a sort of cult fan following and it is hard to find the Blaise books in stores in the US. People keep them!

But please DO NOT judge either Bond or Blaise by the movies. The books were far better in both cases.

Oh: after the S&W Model 60 appeared in stainless steel, Boothroyd said that this was surely THE James Bond gun, but Fleming was deceased by then, about the time that gun appeared.

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Ditto for Matt Helm. Don't judge him by the Dean Martin movies. Actually a series of movies based on the books would be pretty neat!:)
 
obiwan1 said:
Ditto for Matt Helm. Don't judge him by the Dean Martin movies. Actually a series of movies based on the books would be pretty neat!:)

Unfortunately, Matt Helm is out of date. The cold war is long over, and WWII vets are dying out. All those in my family are gone now. It's impossible for the usual audience, mostly under 30, to understand either the "Must Win" attitude of the WWII vet, or those fearing communism and the horrors of dictatorship, in a country where the college campus is dominated by Maxists.

Geoff
Who was born in the first half of the last century.
Who is not getting wiser, but older, and more of a wise*ss. :what:
 
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