May 2009 Rimfire match!

[Hud]

Clint,

When I posted the silhouette targets it didn't occur to me that some folks might not be able to open .pdf files (sorry 'bout that), so... I done scanned 'em fer 'ya.

 

[gvnwst]

Anyone have a comment on my ideas for scoring? BTW, i think that you should be allowed to use bipods for the prone target, as some more casual shooters don't have slings... (that and this was meant for 25 meters, even though scopes are nice, it is still 2 times as hard to hold the rifle on...)

 

[Hud]

gvnwst,

I agree with the scoring & believe we can start out simple then increase the level of difficulty as our skills and scores get better. I don't know if many recruits shot expert their first time at the range in basic, altho there seem to be some pretty good marksmen in these shoots.

 

[HuntAndFish]

Anyone have a comment on my ideas for scoring?

Sounds good to me. You put them up here and I'll put holes in them.

Sometimes in the black part.

 

[gvnwst]

Cool, now it just needs to stop raining here...(earlier i though the rain was going to start destroying stuff, i can't remember the last time came down this hard...)

 

[KSCCHTrainer]

Tried out the 4 position silouettes on our 100 yard indoor range this morning. I was the only one on the rifle range, so they let me measure out 50 meters and temporarily reset the spotter camera. Normally it would be 50 yards. Had to cheat a bit on the prone target as we don't have a way to do prone with the range configured as it is and me being left handed.

The door I had to shoot through is on the far right lane of the range and right up against the wall. I shot it sitting off the normal shooting shelf with a block of heavy foam being the "terrain" support. Still not a "gimme" but I did manage to shoot a 100 pointer. Posting the target, but not really turning it in for match credit. I'll wait for that target to be in the mix next month. We're having a picnic early in the month at a nice outdoor range, with both rimfire and high power positions, so will re-shoot for qual then, but here's what happened this morning. Rifle is a Remington 597 with a Tasco 3-9 X 40 on it and a Volquartsen "drop-in" hammer to improve the notoriously bad trigger pull. Ammo was Federal "target grade" bulk pak.

This stuff could get addictive, even for an old G.I.

 

[gvnwst]

Great shootin! Now, really, you could have used 50yd, that is what i will be shooting it iat, the differences are so small at this distance... Also, you only needed to shoot 3 shots per "bull". But really, thats some good shooting for a (pretty much) stock semi auto rimfire.

 

[KSCCHTrainer]

Now, really, you could have used 50yd, that is what i will be shooting it iat, the differences are so small at this distance... Also, you only needed to shoot 3 shots per "bull".

Yeah, I know, but I was trying to keep to what was printed on the target (I admit I had missed the 3 shot per bull post). Like I said, I wanted to try the target and see if that little 597 was up to the task. It has less than 500 rounds through it. The one mod that WAS needed was that Volquartsen hammer. The original trigger pull on the 597 was originally over 10 pounds and the precision ground sear surface on the Volquartsen dropped that to 3.5 pounds. Lots easier to shoot at 50 meters (yards) now. Before the hammer, I was lucky to hit the target at 25 yards.

Now the target with the dots -- that was another story and before I changed the hammer. I never did get one in the smallest dots! I'll have to try it again.

 

[Hud]

Wow, Trainer. Good shooting!
I'm almost sorry I suggested those targets, except for the fact that my range is only 25 yd. & I will be shooting irons, so I may not have to try to best you.

 

[gvnwst]

Hud--thanks for suggesting it, i am gonna have FUN missing this one...


But, I really need to get a sling. And a different stock for my MKII... Then i can get such scores...till then, it is bipod and crap stock for me.

 

[KSCCHTrainer]

I'm almost sorry I suggested those targets, except for the fact that my range is only 25 yd. & I will be shooting irons, so I may not have to try to best you.

If I was shooting irons, I'd have trouble hitting the target at 10 yards with my tri-focals. Used to have 20-20, but old age and agent orange induced diabetes has my tired old eyes to the point I need a scoped rifle to see the target clear enough anymore. I even scoped my old Mosin Nagant battle rifles - that way I can shoot 'em instead of just look at 'em!

Seriously, I'm glad I came across this thread. It's fun to be challenged again. I'm going to print some more of those silouettes and try them with the Mosin M44 scout rifle one of these days. That ought to be interesting

 

[gvnwst]

I'm going to print some more of those silouettes and try them with the Mosin M44 scout rifle one of these days. That ought to be interesting

Even though this is a rimfire match, you do realize that you have to post the results of that too, right?

 

[Hud]

Ya know gvnwst, if you have more than one smart aleck like Trainer that shoot a perfect score next month, the tie-breaker may come down to group size.
I found a spiffy little program that will do just that & maybe make your job, as ichiban honcho of rimfire matches, a little easier.

In fact, it might be of benefit to Clint for scoring his 100 yd., .30-30 Frisbee shoots, which I am going to try when my club opens up for long range on the back 40.

http://www.ontargetshooting.com/index.html

 

[gvnwst]

Well, the guy who also gets a perfect score sure won't be me, i had a hard time holding on the large one from standing, and the MKII ain't all that great (the stock sucks for) in sitting either....hard to get a good solid position. If my .22lr AR were as accurate... Then it would be easy

As for the program, I would take a while to figure it out, you can do all the scoring.

 

[gvnwst]

Bump, can we get this stickied?

 

[Carbon_15]

tag for later...

 

[gvnwst]

tag for later...

Glad to have more shooters

Hey,,,......Mav, where are you, it has been a while. Or are you too emberressed to show your results.

Also, where is 1858rem???

 

[gvnwst]

Bump!

 

[KSCCHTrainer]

Even though this is a rimfire match, you do realize that you have to post the results of that too, right?

All right, you asked for it - Didn't get a perfect score with the M44, but it did all right @ 50 yards. I did use available support - door frame for standing, kneeling and sitting, elbows on the shelf for prone, simulating the ground and this time I only fired 3 shots per silouette for a possible score of 60. Qualification would be 85 percent of 60 = 53. My score was 58 so I guess I qualified with the Russian carbine. Very challenging anyway. I can't believe I actually shot tighter groups with the M44 than I did with the 597 .22. Hey, I'll take 'em anyway!

The load for that 7.62X54R was brand new Prvi Partizan cases, Hornady .312 diameter, 150 grain spire point bullet, 43.5 grains Alliant Reloader-15 and Federal 210M Large Rifle Match primers. Lyman lists that as an "accuracy" load in their 47th edition manual, but the test barrel was a bit longer than the M44 as they used a Finnish M39 for their test data.

 

[gvnwst]

WOW. Dude, you are a good shot!

 

[KSCCHTrainer]

Thank you. However, I credit my marksmanship to many many years of practice in the US Army. Never had to shoot at anybody, even in Viet Nam, but I sure did punch a lot of paper over the years. Always wanted to make the high power matches at Camp Perry, but never was in the right place at the right time to do that. Retired from the Army in 1981 and haven't gotten to shoot as much as I'd like since then, but your rimfire internet match got me fired up again. Hopefully there will be lots more people posting their targets.

Now I just shoot for fun and try to teach others how to do it right - mainly handgun in the Kansas concealed carry course.

Oh yes, the scope on the rifle is a BSA "Edge" 2-7 X 32 long eye relief pistol scope mounted in place of the M44's original rear sight and I had it set to 4 power to shoot that target.

Thanks again for getting this match going.

 

[Maverick223]

Or are you too emberressed to show your results.

Have you ever felt like you "got schooled"?
Conditions were about 66 degrees, humid, with winds about 5-10MPH. Shot with Ruger 10/22 with butler creek folder, Simmons 3-9x. and Federal bulk HP. I definitely need to invest in a scope...

 

[gvnwst]

Have you ever felt like you "got schooled"?

Every time i post a target in one of my matches.

You do seem to need a better scope, but first, some better ammo.

 

[Maverick223]

You do seem to need a better scope, but first, some better ammo.

The 10/22 will get the hand me down when my M17 gets a Ziess...but that may be a while. But I do have some Eley Ltd around here somewhere that needs a work out...never thought I would see the day when .22lr was getting hard to find. All I have been able to find is Rem. Thunderbutts lately.

 

[gvnwst]

never thought I would see the day when .22lr was getting hard to find

Neither did i. My wal mart still has stuff, but the problem is, they can't restock what they normally sell! Well, at least i have 2k or so left...(all bulk though)