USMC..hoorah
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I think it comes down to respect. If they oppose to weapons being in their home, I would respect the rules of the house.
Since you mention that your presence working in someone's home for service is "legitimate", does that make a social visit to friend's or family's home illegitimate?
I figure if a customer invites you into their home it's about the same as a friend inviting you into their home. They both are trusting you to come in and not mess up their stuff. Of course, you're not having your friend sign a bill for coming over and eating their food.
Yet, a visit to a friend's home normally won't send up warning signs of "the unknown" like going over to a stranger's home. Maybe that is the point you're trying to make? That a friend's home is safer ground so you feel obligated to tell them things that you wouldn't tell to strangers?
What I meant is that I go to a strangers house under the premise they want me to look at some work they want done. I do not know for sure until I get there that it is not a ruse for something else. This is what I mean by legitimate. How many Pizza delivery boys have been mugged and killed under the premise they are going to a strangers house to deliver pizza? Also, many times there are dogs there that I do not know are under complete control of the owner. This is much different than a friend or acquaintance that invites me over. It comes down to risk and fear. I have little fear when going to someone's home I know, if others do, so be it. Their risk factors must be different than mine or they have a greater fear. Oh I know...I do not carry outta fear, but outta preparedness.
Sorry, but this has NOTHING to do with the original post. That dealt with going to a friend's house.
I stand by my original statement that IF you know those folks are anti-gun for whatever reason, carrying in their home against their known wishes is dishonest and not very High Road. If you honestly can't go without during the visit, then don't go there and instead invite them to your home or meet them somewhere else. Their house, their rules -that has been stated numerous times in other threads regarding businesses, no different here
Business access to homes !!!
I see going into a strangers house armed is "possibly" violating that persons RIGHT to a gun free zone !.
They might have religious cause,or just be deathly afraid of guns [ that is sad,but possible ].
My rule is ALWAYS the same,if there is no magnetometer at the door ----- I am not armed !
Business access to homes !!!
I see going into a strangers house armed is "possibly" violating that persons RIGHT to a gun free zone !.
They might have religious cause,or just be deathly afraid of guns [ that is sad,but possible ].
If you do not ASK for permission to enter,then I see your more in violation of that persons RIGHTS --- than you are when visiting a friend that actually might [ should ? ] know your armed.
Carry that to the next step = do you need to announce that wherever you go,you need a town crier to walk ahead and announce your walking that way ----- and are armed ?.
After all , you "could" be violating anothers gun free zone.
My rule is ALWAYS the same,if there is no magnetometer at the door ----- I am not armed !.
"I'd rather not have to disarm and make myself more vulnerable, but would it be rude to carry without their knowledge, on their private property?"
how about not going to your "friends" if you feel like you might need to use your gun INSIDE their home?
if i felt that i needed to have a gun when going somewhere i wouldn't go there in the first place. The gun is for all the places i don't think i'll need a gun.
I don't want anyone in my neighborhood, mall, church, bar, school, park, gas station/convenience store, doctor's office, courthouse, grocery store, or any other social setting, who thinks they NEED a gun there.
And I won't go anywhere, myself (except the range) where I think I'll NEED a gun.
But guns are nice to have those few times you DIDN'T think you'd need one. And then, I'd rather everyone did have them.
how about not going to your "friends" if you feel like you might need to use your gun INSIDE their home?
Why would you violate their rights to have their home as their castle and would violate their rules for their home?
Again, for some of us, it's because of respect/etiquette.
That street goes both ways you know.Is not carrying for a few hours worth giving up a friendship? Now, if I had a friend that did not want to be around me when I'm carrying (regardless if it's at his house or not), I can see making that choice, but if it's just at his house? And what if the reason is because, say, his wife is the one who doesn't want the gun in the house? Are you going to stop being his friend because of his wife's views? I mean, that's fine if it works for you, but I guess to me, some friendships are worth not carrying for a few hours.
I see this topic in a different light.
Just about everyone is something that at least one group finds offensive. Sexual orientation, religious belief/lack of belief, family history, income, education, et cetera.
It is not our responsibility to identify ours potentially offensive traits for the benefit of the prejudiced. A gay person has no obligation to announce he is gay, a Jewish person has no obligation to announce she is Jewish. That has been tried; it ended poorly.
If a person invites another into her home, she tacitly accepts both the known, and potentially unknown, traits of the invitee even if she would find those traits offensive. Even if the invitation would not have been extended with full knowledge.
In other words, if an antisemite invites a coworker to thanksgiving not realizing the coworker is Jewish, the coworker has every right to go and enjoy the thanksgiving dinner, and no obligation to reveal her religious/cultural background. An invitation was extended and accepted in good faith. Now, the coworker might choose to decline the invitation out of discomfort at hanging out with antisemitic hosts, but even then she doesn't need to say why.
A host that would extend a conditional invitation ("come to dinner if you give up on Christianity") isn't much of a host.
I see carrying the same way. If they don't know, I have no obligation to tell even if I know they are prejudiced. If they do know I carry and invite me anyway, I am not going to worry about it. If they extend a conditional invitation or an anti-invitation I will treat that no differently than other examples of racial, religious, or any other sort of bigotry.
Ed Ames said:I see carrying the same way. If they don't know, I have no obligation to tell even if I know they are prejudiced. If they do know I carry and invite me anyway, I am not going to worry about it. If they extend a conditional invitation or an anti-invitation I will treat that no differently than other examples of racial, religious, or any other sort of bigotry.