Conceal carry etiquette in someone's home

[USMC..hoorah]

I think it comes down to respect. If they oppose to weapons being in their home, I would respect the rules of the house.

 

[buck460XVR]

Since you mention that your presence working in someone's home for service is "legitimate", does that make a social visit to friend's or family's home illegitimate?

I figure if a customer invites you into their home it's about the same as a friend inviting you into their home. They both are trusting you to come in and not mess up their stuff. Of course, you're not having your friend sign a bill for coming over and eating their food.

Yet, a visit to a friend's home normally won't send up warning signs of "the unknown" like going over to a stranger's home. Maybe that is the point you're trying to make? That a friend's home is safer ground so you feel obligated to tell them things that you wouldn't tell to strangers?

What I meant is that I go to a strangers house under the premise they want me to look at some work they want done. I do not know for sure until I get there that it is not a ruse for something else. This is what I mean by legitimate. How many Pizza delivery boys have been mugged and killed under the premise they are going to a strangers house to deliver pizza? Also, many times there are dogs there that I do not know are under complete control of the owner. This is much different than a friend or acquaintance that invites me over. It comes down to risk and fear. I have little fear when going to someone's home I know, if others do, so be it. Their risk factors must be different than mine or they have a greater fear. Oh I know...I do not carry outta fear, but outta preparedness.

 

[jrdolall]

I didn't read all of the responses (because I am not THAT bored) but I agree with the general thought that carrying concealed into someone's house is just fine UNLESS you know they are strictly anti-gun. If you see me around town then I have a gun on me...PERIOD. The only time I am without a concealed gun is in buildings where laws prohibit carrying a weapon. I don't advertise it and don't OC.
If I visit a home and they want to frisk me for weapons then my stay is going to be very short. If my host/hostess is so paranoid about guns then that person probably has very little interest in talking to me and I have even less interest in what they have to say.
I had an AC guy in my house a couple of years ago. He was carrying in an ankle holster and I noticed when he sat at the table. Unfortunately he was ill advised and was carrying a Glock
I have a pistol on my bedside table every night. I did when my kids were young and I do today. When they had friends over I put the gun out of reach. I also have a carbine beside my bed. It requires two moves to load the carbine and I am FAR more worried about a five year old kid grabbing a knife and cutting himself than his being able to operate a 9 pound carbine.

 

[oneounceload]

What I meant is that I go to a strangers house under the premise they want me to look at some work they want done. I do not know for sure until I get there that it is not a ruse for something else. This is what I mean by legitimate. How many Pizza delivery boys have been mugged and killed under the premise they are going to a strangers house to deliver pizza? Also, many times there are dogs there that I do not know are under complete control of the owner. This is much different than a friend or acquaintance that invites me over. It comes down to risk and fear. I have little fear when going to someone's home I know, if others do, so be it. Their risk factors must be different than mine or they have a greater fear. Oh I know...I do not carry outta fear, but outta preparedness.

Sorry, but this has NOTHING to do with the original post. That dealt with going to a friend's house.

I stand by my original statement that IF you know those folks are anti-gun for whatever reason, carrying in their home against their known wishes is dishonest and not very High Road. If you honestly can't go without during the visit, then don't go there and instead invite them to your home or meet them somewhere else. Their house, their rules -that has been stated numerous times in other threads regarding businesses, no different here

 

[scaatylobo]

Guess I disgree

Business access to homes !!!

I see going into a strangers house armed is "possibly" violating that persons RIGHT to a gun free zone !.

They might have religious cause,or just be deathly afraid of guns [ that is sad,but possible ].

If you do not ASK for permission to enter,then I see your more in violation of that persons RIGHTS --- than you are when visiting a friend that actually might [ should ? ] know your armed.

Carry that to the next step = do you need to announce that wherever you go,you need a town crier to walk ahead and announce your walking that way ----- and are armed ?.

After all , you "could" be violating anothers gun free zone.

My rule is ALWAYS the same,if there is no magnetometer at the door ----- I am not armed !.

 

[oneounceload]

No one said about strangers - it was about a friend's home and possibly a home where the owners do not want guns in there. Why is that so hard for some here to grasp? If they do not want guns in their home and you surreptitiously do so, you are violating their wishes in their home which is dishonest. Just don't go if you really think you need to have your gun on you in that scenario

 

[buck460XVR]

Sorry, but this has NOTHING to do with the original post. That dealt with going to a friend's house.

That statement was in direct reply to a question asked of me by another poster. That's why I quoted his post in mine so there would be no confusion. Maybe you missed that.

I stand by my original statement that IF you know those folks are anti-gun for whatever reason, carrying in their home against their known wishes is dishonest and not very High Road. If you honestly can't go without during the visit, then don't go there and instead invite them to your home or meet them somewhere else. Their house, their rules -that has been stated numerous times in other threads regarding businesses, no different here

With this we agree.

Business access to homes !!!

I see going into a strangers house armed is "possibly" violating that persons RIGHT to a gun free zone !.

They might have religious cause,or just be deathly afraid of guns [ that is sad,but possible ].

Again, this thread has nuttin' to do with the legality of CWC in another's home, but as to what is proper etiquette when the law says you are not required to inform.

My rule is ALWAYS the same,if there is no magnetometer at the door ----- I am not armed !

................okay?

 

[texasgun]

"I'd rather not have to disarm and make myself more vulnerable, but would it be rude to carry without their knowledge, on their private property?"

how about not going to your "friends" if you feel like you might need to use your gun INSIDE their home?

 

[Warp]

Business access to homes !!!

I see going into a strangers house armed is "possibly" violating that persons RIGHT to a gun free zone !.

They might have religious cause,or just be deathly afraid of guns [ that is sad,but possible ].

If you do not ASK for permission to enter,then I see your more in violation of that persons RIGHTS --- than you are when visiting a friend that actually might [ should ? ] know your armed.

Carry that to the next step = do you need to announce that wherever you go,you need a town crier to walk ahead and announce your walking that way ----- and are armed ?.

After all , you "could" be violating anothers gun free zone.

My rule is ALWAYS the same,if there is no magnetometer at the door ----- I am not armed !.

Do you ask before entering if you possess a pocket knife?

 

[R.Greene]

"I'd rather not have to disarm and make myself more vulnerable, but would it be rude to carry without their knowledge, on their private property?"

how about not going to your "friends" if you feel like you might need to use your gun INSIDE their home?

As had been said before, we don't carry because we think we will need the gun. See post 117:

if i felt that i needed to have a gun when going somewhere i wouldn't go there in the first place. The gun is for all the places i don't think i'll need a gun.

Also, Sam1911 in post 23:

I don't want anyone in my neighborhood, mall, church, bar, school, park, gas station/convenience store, doctor's office, courthouse, grocery store, or any other social setting, who thinks they NEED a gun there.

And I won't go anywhere, myself (except the range) where I think I'll NEED a gun.


But guns are nice to have those few times you DIDN'T think you'd need one. And then, I'd rather everyone did have them.

It is not to defend myself from my friends that I might need one. Besides, what is wrong to be able to defend myself from ANYONE that threatens my life or my family?

 

[Warp]

how about not going to your "friends" if you feel like you might need to use your gun INSIDE their home?

This means that you, of course, do not keep any guns in your home, right? Certainly not a home defense gun, nightstand gun, etc.

 

[oneounceload]

Why would you violate their rights to have their home as their castle and would violate their rules for their home?
Just don't go. I know there are those so paranoid they keep guns in the bathroom, because "they read somewhere on the Internet" that home invaders wait until you turn on the bathroom light
Oh well, if you want to do that in YOUR home, feel free to do so. Try respecting someone else who might share that paranoia in their home, whether their view is valid or misguided.

 

[Warp]

Why would you violate their rights to have their home as their castle and would violate their rules for their home?

I must have missed something.

Did we discuss carrying into somebody's home who had a rule against firearms?

Would you mind quoting that?

 

[oneounceload]

Seems that what I took the original OP and subsequent posts to mean.

I have no issue with the sidetrack talking about a pizza guy or service tech going into a strange home - none at all. I am talking about (and have always been talking about) going into a friend's home where you KNOW they do not want guns (again, for whatever reason, even if misguided) and yet most here seem to adopt the idiotic mantra "concealed means concealed" or "concealed, 'nuff said"
BTW, I REALLY detest that " 'nuff said" comment as totally worthless and without any merit or value

It is THEIR house, therefore THEIR rules - and just like a business (which was slammed), you have the choice to go or not. My suggestion was to invite them to YOUR home where it is your house/your rules, or to a neutral site where carry is allowed - that solves the issues, does not disrespect those folks in their home and the issue is resolved to the satisfaction of all concerned.

If you and I have been talking at cross purposes, then that is something altogether different.......

 

[Berger.Fan222]

Knowing a host does not like guns is different from knowing that a host has a well-communicated rule or policy restricting guns. A well-communicated rule or policy needs to be followed. A self-imposed gun restriction based on a known dislike is different.

I don't like a lot of things, but I am not about to impose all my likes and dislikes on guests in my home. I clearly communicate to guests things I do not permit (illegal drugs, etc.), but they are safe to conclude that they are welcome to bring in things I may not like but don't explicitly prohibit.

 

[george burns]

Yew scaatylobo, I thank you for your candor, and have always felt that this was a personal decision not involving a consensus vote. Unless you stipulate on your door or invitation that guns are not welcome, it is a non issue, and you will find that no one ever asks you this question.

 

[1911Tuner]

Again, for some of us, it's because of respect/etiquette.

Despite bein' a true southern gentleman...I'm just not polite enough to risk becoming a victim on request. You may be, but I'm not. Sorry.

I still have to get from my car to his door, and back to my car when I leave. A good many people are attacked within feet of their front doors. A good many party guests have had the same happen to them as they come and go.

Then, there's always the chance of a home invasion while everybody's standin' around makin' small talk and drinkin' cocktails from little sippy straws. Lotsa people means lotsa cash to be had...especially from people who are likely 3 sheets and completely relaxed.

If they'll come into a church during Sunday services, a house fulla tipsy people on a Saturday night won't be a problem.

Of course, this is just my nickel's worth.

 

[Zach S]

Is not carrying for a few hours worth giving up a friendship? Now, if I had a friend that did not want to be around me when I'm carrying (regardless if it's at his house or not), I can see making that choice, but if it's just at his house? And what if the reason is because, say, his wife is the one who doesn't want the gun in the house? Are you going to stop being his friend because of his wife's views? I mean, that's fine if it works for you, but I guess to me, some friendships are worth not carrying for a few hours.

That street goes both ways you know.

 

[george burns]

If someone didn't want to be around me when I was carrying a gun, the likelihood of me ever meeting them would be slim to none. I have had several friends who had wives who had a real disdain for guns, but they kept their wives at bay when it came to other peoples beliefs. None of the men I know would ever be turned around by their wives view on their best friends choice of a perfectly legal occurrence.
And some of those ladies have several degrees and are more well off than their husbands were. The husband still wore the pants in the family.
When you let your spouse dictate who you can associate with and who you can't, due to their political affiliation or something as significant as a legally carried firearm, it's time to hand in your man card. IMHO

 

[Ed Ames]

I see this topic in a different light.

Just about everyone is something that at least one group finds offensive. Sexual orientation, religious belief/lack of belief, family history, income, education, et cetera.

It is not our responsibility to identify ours potentially offensive traits for the benefit of the prejudiced. A gay person has no obligation to announce he is gay, a Jewish person has no obligation to announce she is Jewish. That has been tried; it ended poorly.

If a person invites another into her home, she tacitly accepts both the known, and potentially unknown, traits of the invitee even if she would find those traits offensive. Even if the invitation would not have been extended with full knowledge.

In other words, if an antisemite invites a coworker to thanksgiving not realizing the coworker is Jewish, the coworker has every right to go and enjoy the thanksgiving dinner, and no obligation to reveal her religious/cultural background. An invitation was extended and accepted in good faith. Now, the coworker might choose to decline the invitation out of discomfort at hanging out with antisemitic hosts, but even then she doesn't need to say why.

A host that would extend a conditional invitation ("come to dinner if you give up on Christianity") isn't much of a host.

I see carrying the same way. If they don't know, I have no obligation to tell even if I know they are prejudiced. If they do know I carry and invite me anyway, I am not going to worry about it. If they extend a conditional invitation or an anti-invitation I will treat that no differently than other examples of racial, religious, or any other sort of bigotry.

 

[george burns]

Well put.

 

[ljnowell]

I see this topic in a different light.

Just about everyone is something that at least one group finds offensive. Sexual orientation, religious belief/lack of belief, family history, income, education, et cetera.

It is not our responsibility to identify ours potentially offensive traits for the benefit of the prejudiced. A gay person has no obligation to announce he is gay, a Jewish person has no obligation to announce she is Jewish. That has been tried; it ended poorly.

If a person invites another into her home, she tacitly accepts both the known, and potentially unknown, traits of the invitee even if she would find those traits offensive. Even if the invitation would not have been extended with full knowledge.

In other words, if an antisemite invites a coworker to thanksgiving not realizing the coworker is Jewish, the coworker has every right to go and enjoy the thanksgiving dinner, and no obligation to reveal her religious/cultural background. An invitation was extended and accepted in good faith. Now, the coworker might choose to decline the invitation out of discomfort at hanging out with antisemitic hosts, but even then she doesn't need to say why.

A host that would extend a conditional invitation ("come to dinner if you give up on Christianity") isn't much of a host.

I see carrying the same way. If they don't know, I have no obligation to tell even if I know they are prejudiced. If they do know I carry and invite me anyway, I am not going to worry about it. If they extend a conditional invitation or an anti-invitation I will treat that no differently than other examples of racial, religious, or any other sort of bigotry.

Best post in this thread. You sir win this thread.

 

[Red Wind]

I see carrying the same way. If they don't know, I have no obligation to tell even if I know they are prejudiced. If they do know I carry and invite me anyway, I am not going to worry about it. If they extend a conditional invitation or an anti-invitation I will treat that no differently than other examples of racial, religious, or any other sort of bigotry.

Well said. I agree with every word.

 

[BeerSleeper]

If I'm wearing it, it's an article of clothing.

If it's underneath my outer garment, it's an undergarment. I see no need to make discussion of my undergarments, but I'm not a bashful person and will discuss it if asked.

 

[scaatylobo]

ED AMES,BEERSLEEPER & 1911TUNER.

ALL are spot on posts and all have my complete agreement [ not that y'all care ].

I stand FIRMLY on my last posting !!.

Y'all have a great day.